. >> you live on 10 offenses -- you live in san francisco. what is your view on this on the last few years with the social movements? >> the occupy movement and the tea party movement were both reactive, fizzled away. what is my view? you know, i saw what happened in oakland with occupy --occ upy's problem is they understood consensus to a default, the degradation of the democratic dogma, and then they could not come up with a mature way to deal with creating discourse in their ranks. to do that, you have to concede there is such a thing as hierarchy, and it is not necessarily the feminists, patriarchal, or evil. >> it is a massive gathering with a spontaneous order. you will out of a crowd of the right conditions are present get rules and order, and despite its size and different location, it is very well run. there are enormous, practical laws on the ground. >> that is what we do. >> i do not know if anyone wants to raise their hands, -- >> we built a temporary city in the desert. it has all the -- anything any normal city would provide. ou